Hello and welcome to the Borg podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Today's guest is the newest senior reporter here at the Bullwork.

He joined us from the Washington Post, where he covered the media and conspiracy theories and other such matters.

He's the author of Trust the Plan,

the Rise of QAnon and the conspiracy that unhinged America. And he's the former host of one

of my favorite pods. It was called Fever Dreams at the Daily Beast. It's Will Summer. And right

now, he's living that fever dream in our, your fever dreams are our reality, I guess, is what I meant.

Yes, we're all in the fever dream now, right? I want to start by, before we get to the news,

by doing your backstory. I mean, I guess we all imagined that Trump could possibly win again,

right? It was not like we were totally blindsided by that possibility, particularly here at the

bulwark. But,

I mean, did you ever imagine when you were covering the fever swamps of Q&ON on, you know,

back four or five years ago doing this podcast that like these people would be literally running

the country? I mean, it's true now even in a way that it wasn't in 2018.

Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to imagine.

I feel like sort of every step on the road.

And I'm sure a lot of people feel like this is that it's like, every step is like,

wow, I never would have thought it would have come to this.

The idea that, you know, we're at the point where Dan Bongino getting appointed to the FBI or Cash Patel, even to head the FBI, you know, I think it's

like, oh, Cash Patel, the recurring Steve Bannon guest. And it's like, oh, of course, now that that's

such a common thing. I mean, it's a lot to grapple with. And I think it sort of alarmingly, you know,

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