Hi, I'm Rachel, and on today's New Sitzman podcast, I was speaking to the Chief Political

Correspondent at the BBC, Adam Fleming, about his new podcast series on Boris Johnson.

This is the final New Sitzman podcast before we find out who the next Conservative Party

leader and Prime Minister is going to be.

Today, we're looking back over Boris Johnson's legacy, reflecting on his character, how he

made it to the top job in the country, and what his time and office means for politics

in the future.

And joined by Adam Fleming, Chief Political Correspondent at the BBC, whose new podcast

series, Boris, answers exactly those questions.

Hi, Adam.

Thank you so much for joining us at New Sitzman.

Of course, who asked?

Boris Johnson is probably one of the politicians that even before he was Prime Minister,

people actually knew something about, and we've certainly learnt a lot about him over

the last three years.

So what was it that made you decide, actually, at the end of his time in power, we actually

really need this series to go back and work out who he really is.

Oh, I actually thought the same as you initially, when the controller of Radio 4 and the boss

has said, oh, could you work really quickly and make this series?

I thought, haven't we heard loads of stories and haven't we spent all day, every day,

it's like, analysing this man for years already.

But then I thought about it some more, and I thought, well, first of all, there's probably

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