Every interaction you and I have everything you do or don't do everything you say or don't say has the ability to either enhance or

diminish your relationship with someone else and normally it's the latter it's you know every time you have an interaction you can screw it up

if you're incompetent going from mediocre to shitty is stupid. It's linear. And you don't want to operate in the linear zone.

You want to operate in the geometric Here in the Wolf's Den. It's going to be an awesome day by the way. So, you know, I've had some really

super accomplished people here on the podcast.

Had a couple of Charlatons who got exposed on the podcast.

Had some really entertaining people who really aren't in the business

and consulting industry.

Just great fun people who have great stories to tell.

And then every once in a while you get like a special person, like an expert's expert,

like someone who is the kind of the real deal on steroids, right?

Who can really bring massive value to anyone who's

listening, who's got the experience, the cloud,

the reputation, the whole package, right?

And that's the man I'm with today is a friend of

mine and you probably a lot of you know who is if you don't you really should because

it's just like knowledge on top of knowledge my friend Jay how, how you doing Abraham? How are you

buddy? Everything good? Yeah, that was very nice. I like that. I want to make that on

my phone so when people hear it. The ring tone, right? Anyway, listen, I mean what I say you know and you've obviously you've been around the block you've seen this industry go from even probably before the internet was even the internet, right?

Absolutely.

So why don't we start there and you know, tell me, you know, your history.

How did you get started in the business of, you know, of consulting?

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