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So Paul, what is the law of spies?

Shit, I don't know. Oh, Redmond's Law, yes, please. Redmond's Law is, quote,

it's an actuarial certainty that will be a spy in your organization period.

Why is that something that you're so certain about? Because there always is.

Nobody ever gets it right, but it's very simple. It's an actuarial certainty that's

going to be a spy in your place. Paul Redmond spent three decades at the central

intelligence agency, though, CIA, recruiting assets and stealing secrets from the Soviets.

I'm an Ivy League-educated, the England Prep School snob. It was not a nice guy,

plus I'm Irish and I don't trust anybody. He's in his eighties now, retired, lives in a

quite suburb outside Boston. Catching spies is never easy. Human espionage is not nice,

it's for a nice Americans. But that was Redmond's job. The counterintelligence business

requires you to be untrusting, conspiratorial, secretive, devious, double thinking and very smart.

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