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Hello, hello, revisionist history listeners, Malcolm here.

Today we have a special guest in the house, Rachel Botsman.

Rachel is a lecturer at Oxford University and a world-renowned expert on the topic of trust.

And importantly, not most importantly, but importantly, she's the author of a new Pushkin

audiobook, How to Trust and Be Trusted.

After more than 15 years teaching trust to CEOs, entrepreneurs, world leaders, and all kinds of students,

she's now sharing these powerful lessons with you in her new audiobook.

You're going to get a chance to hear one of her lessons from that audiobook in just a moment.

But first, I want to speak with a woman herself.

Rachel Botsman, welcome to revisionist history.

Tell me a little bit about your interest in trust.

How did you come to this subject? It's a funny subject to study because it's really intangible

trust, but it came from a fascination in human connection. So I've always been interested in

why we're attracted to some people,

and we repel from others. I've always been interested in what holds groups and teams and

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