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Today, Zeke Smith is on the show.

Zeke was famously outed as being transgender on Survivor.

We talk about that, about the unfortunate significance of the fact that he was outed by a gay man,

and then what it was like to work with CBS and Glad to shape the media coverage.

We also talk about what he's doing now, post-survivor, and what it's been like to suddenly

be a publicly

out trans person. But before we get to it, don't forget that our old home at Afterbus TV is the

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favorite TV shows. All right, let's get to the interview.

So to our listeners, you were most famous for being outed on Survivor.

Yes, yes. Not just being on Survivor, but being outed on Survivor.

I know. I want to talk about that, but I promise that we're not going to spend the entire time on it.

Sure. I mean, we can talk about it as much as you want. I think that like the weird thing about the world and in my world is that like that moment

sort of like informs my daily life still. Oh, and how so? Well, I, you know, so I was on back-to-back

seasons of Survivor. So I was on CBS like all year long. And, you know, so I was on back-to-back seasons of Survivor.

So I was on CBS like all year long.

And, you know, we had this thing happen that was just so huge and sort of catapulted me above the traditional, I think, survivor zeitgeist, right?

Which is just when was the last time we've ever heard of a survivor player in the news since

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