Hey guys, Greg Lappin here, Mike Force Podcast, and

Super excited today.

My buddy Tony Cowden is on the show,

and we were just joking around because he's actually still saved in my phone as kid his old call sign from way back in the day.

But we'll forget about all that but Tony spent a long career in Army Special Forces

aka Green Berets,

has a lot of experience through there

in the Army contracting, contracting for the couple

of different agencies.

We worked together.

He was my first team leader actually my first

for ray into contracting so dude super super excited yeah the AC just kicked

down sound like a

an earthquake for a second but super glad to see you dude we it's been I mean it's been

how long since we've seen each other I don't know like I said I don't even

want to think about it because it would be almost saddening or embarrassing that you know like we've got

this awesome core group of friends that you know I can look back and there are certain

dudes that I've stayed in touch with over the years you know know, 20 years, 19 years later.

Like, yeah, we're deep in the 19 years because I think that gig started in like January,

February of 05.

Yeah, dude, so I went to selection. I went to the second Whips Course, T.C. ever held, because before Whips, what were they calling it?

It was just a DSS contract. it was a defense department contract to provide

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