Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories,

secrets and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice

that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. Our mission is to help you become

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arms dealer, Fortune 500 CEO, Hollywood filmmaker, or tech luminary. I know I say tech luminary a lot.

There's not that many tech luminaries on the show, you know, a few and counting, but I feel like

they're getting outsized play here. I'll have to remedy that.

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started. Today, a little something different for you. I'm being interviewed, well, it's a conversation

with, I should say, the one and only Mike Roe of dirty jobs fame we talk about, the economy,

decision-making, uncertainty uncertainty and a whole lot more

this is actually from his show the way I heard it it aired several months ago if you heard it and you

gave us nice feedback thank you very much if you haven't heard it now's your chance we're

going to replay it here thanks to Mike Roe for having this conversation and allowing me to post it as

well along here in my feed for you all to

enjoy. All right, here we go with myself and Mike Rowe. Say action or begin or off we go.

I said, give me a minute and you were like, let's just go. Is this a good time to announce your new

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