Welcome back to Cat again. It's live. I'm Psych Hill at your host joined by Joe

Heschmeier. It's a prince of the church lightning round right now because we've only got

him for 15 more minutes. So we will try to ask Cardinal Burke all the hard questions.

We're trying not to leave anything out. Cardinal, I thank you again so much for taking the

time to be here with us. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for your apostolate with

Catholic answers. Well, I want to ask you about Cardinal Zen. There's just so many things

and I'm trying to get to everything. But Cardinal Zen from Hong Kong wrote a letter. I believe

it was meant to be private and was leaked. I'm not sure about the details there. But he

seemed to make a distinction in his letter between collegiality and synodality. And this

does seem to be in sync with some of what you're saying that synodality seems entirely novel.

We have a word collegiality is one being pitted against the other in your view. Yes,

ultimately. First of all, I want to say that Cardinal Zen is in my room greatly and he's

a great apostle of the truth in our time and answer many questions. But I agree totally

with the letter that he wrote to the members of the synod. And he's also now written another text

in which he gives an answer to the five dubia. But in fact, what is at work here in my judgment,

I can't come to any other conclusion is, as I said at the beginning early on,

turning the church on its head, in other words, to destroy the authority of bishops in favor of

this great deal, but you might want to call congregationalism. But with this strange feature

that now the bishops no longer have authority, but the Pope has this ultimate authority to declare

things. I mean, it's really quite shocking and alarming. And I would agree with Cardinal,

Cardinal Zen, the Christ called the apostles together as a college to be the doctors of the faith,

to be the high priests in the church. And that's something that is a divine origin and that can't

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