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welcome to the rest of this politics leading with me Roy Stewart

and me, Aleckel and we are delighted to have with us the First Minister of Wales,

in Leonard Morgan, who I have known for many years, who is a Welsh speaker from Cardiff,

who is somebody who's had several ministerial posts before this one in the Welsh government,

and before that was a member of the European Parliament,

which I think was when I first got to know you, largely through our mutual friends, the Kinnocks.

And we've also been involved in mental health campaigns together,

because it is a great mental health campaigner.

And something of a reluctant, First Minister. Is that fair?

Yes, a little bit. I did put my name in before, but I didn't put my name in the second time.

So, yeah, it was an unexpected pleasure to become First Minister in the summer after a little bit of a turmoil.

Yeah, we remember the turmoil.

And for International British listeners, tell us a little bit about the role of First Minister

from the powers that Wales has independent to the United Kingdom.

So we've had a devolved government now for 25 years.

Initially, there were actually quite few powers, but over the years, we now have lawmaking powers,

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