Welcome to episode 131 of the first 40 miles.

If you're new to backpacking, or if you're hopelessly in love with someone who wants you to love

backpacking, then this podcast is for you. We'll talk about the essentials, how to lighten your

loan and how to make the most of your time on the trail. I'm your host, Heather Legler.

And I'm Josh Legler. And this is the first 40 miles.

Today on the first 40 miles, everyone needs a favorite backpacking spot.

And you know what makes it even better

if it's a top secret backpacking spot.

On today's top five list,

we'll break down our plans to make our off-grid

backpacking Shangri-Lah even better.

Then a collapsible cookware set that takes up about a tenth of the space that a traditional set would.

And we'll answer every backpacker's burning question about whether or not to bring your snuggie on your next outdoor adventure?

The answer is no.

But we'll give you an equally good option on today's backpack hack of the week. All this and so much more. No, all this and that's about it. Today on the first 40 miles.

They hadn't be scared there, going off script.

If I over-promise and under-deliver, that's trouble.

Yeah.

Yeah, we got to under- and over deliver. Agreed.

We're under promise and under deliver. I don't know. That's possible too.

Well every October Josh and I make goals for our family, and when we first move to Oregon,

one of our goals was to do monthly hikes, and just explore this whole area. But then the next year we

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