A single theme is too narrow for great minds and daring hearts.

Get ready to enter the lion heart with your host, Lawrence Dunning.

Jen, it's so good to have you back. It's so good to see you. So good to be here. Thanks for having me.

So one thing I'd love to start for people that don't know. One of your stories is you were a homeless

team and then you're a very successful entrepreneur now. And I think that the gap between those two things is such a good story.

And it's so good for people to hear, especially people that are struggling to hear, you know,

you were down and out and you really made something of yourself.

But I guess now, as you look back about what I'd love to start with is, do you think, I mean,

obviously you got so much from your tough times, you've got

your resilience and drive and motivation. I'm a parent now and I, one of the things I think about

is I want to give my son everything, but I don't want to give him everything because I want

him to develop some resilience. So how can I give him a good, loving upbringing, but also give him

the resilience so he can be like you, but he's all like, you know, like he can get the lessons

you got from being a homeless teen. I think it's so, it's such an interesting thing. So I'd love maybe

just to come and start with that. Sorry to, sorry to relive past Corona, but just, you know,

what you got from it now, because it's so interesting

now when you look back at that period of your life, you're probably going to have a

completely different perspective to when you're actually in it. Oh, yeah. It makes me think,

like the first thing that jumps into my mind, so it must be important, is it makes you

unafraid to just go for something because you're like, well, what do I really

have to lose? In the grand scheme of things, if you don't have things, tangible physical things,

and you learn to not get attached as much as possible to those things, I don't know, I felt like

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