I feel like I want to approach my kids where I want to give them as little as possible to unlearn.

This is Joe Wong.

Welcome to the Trapset, where each week we explore the lives of drummers.

I want to play something for you.

This time it's on my own. You're hearing from somewhere else.

You're hearing Lucky Denver Mint by Jimmy Eat World, featuring my guest, Zach Lind on drums.

Formed by Arizona High School Friends in 1993, Jimmy Eat World quickly gained major label attention

and has produced a remarkably consistent body of work ever since.

Zach's beats carve a unique creative niche in the often rigid world of modern rock,

his intelligently restrained style sometimes giving way to unbridled bombast,

and his sense of arrangement gives the band's definition.

Aside from his work in Jimmy Eat World, Zach and his sense of arrangement gives the band's song's definition.

Aside from his work in Jimmy Eat World,

Zach and his wife, Holly, have a band called The Wretched Desert.

I spoke to him in downtown Los Angeles.

And now my conversation with Zach Lind. I'll catch up when we get home. I think we've made a lot of

I think we've made a lot of records where it's sort of, we wait till we're ready.

And what we learned when we did Integrity Blues was, that's bullshit.

You know, like, we want to put out an album this time on this particular year.

So then we work backwards.

And then we should start hiring people.

So we hire the mixer. We hire the producer. We hire the studio. And it's like,

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