This is CBS High on the World.

I'm John Batchel, visiting with Bob Zimmerman, who keeps the website behind the black.

And here after the 2024 election, we have a new administration due in 73, 74 days.

The second Trump administration.

And the presumption is it will be building on space ambitions

from the first administration. And a lot of new hardware, a lot of new successes since then,

must be taken into account. The mission is the moon, and the mission after that is Mars.

Bob, at this point, the moon mission, your expectation, I believe, is an accelerated version

of what the SLS program, which is still on the books, looks to do.

What is it that we can do on the moon before Mars?

What is possible with the technology we now have?

You know, Alice, again, Artemis is going to get completely reshaped it's not going to be the program we see right now i

just can't see that so what will happen is uh there will be a there will be an effort to get

back to the moon with human beings using starship and super heavy almost certainly as well as

other technology but not so

much as a lesson or I expect them to get canceled they're just not efficient and don't

work so there will be an effort to go to the moon NASA's the decade said that's

gonna be the first step you're getting to getting to Mars but NASA has no

capabilities for doing that and no plans and no procedures.

It just doesn't have anything.

It's barely been able to figure out a way to get to the moon.

It's going to have to be restricted because what NASA put together was clunky and not

...