Hello and welcome to a free bonus episode of the Katie Helper show. I interview Ryan Grimm

an intercept reporter who was actually interviewed Julie Assange at the embassy at the Ecuadorian

embassy in England and we talk about Julian Assange and the book that Ryan is working on.

So thanks a lot.

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episodes including an interview I did with Daniel Denver and Luke Savage. So Ryan you are a journalist at the intercept and you're a pretty prolific

journalists actually and you're writing a book. So tell us first about what you're

working on and then I and the reason I really want to have you on for a while

and we've been trying to do this for a while but I I want to have you on to talk about

the Julian Assange the latest with Julian Assange and're going to get back to this, but I just want to share with people that I remember it was July,

and I remember seeing this tweet of yours that was kind of like gave me the chills and it said

whenever governments go after the press they find examples that will set a

precedent but have a unique set of facts that dissuade the rest of the

media from defending against the assault.

Assange is perfect for that.

We're all sitting back and watching them boil us.

So we'll get back to that in a second and that was very prescient and very accurate at the time.

But tell me what you're,

just tell people what you're off to right now

before we jump into the Assange thing.

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