Hi everyone I'm leaving getting the hell out of Dodge as you can hear for July 4th

but I'm posting this amazing episode with Michael R Jackson and Sophie Hillman and I just want you to know that standby this week I will

be posting there's a guy yelling on the street and I'm Whitney Houston

shirt okay I'll be posting bonus

patron only episode with Michael Jackson where we talk more about his politics

his politicization and everything like that so for now enjoy this great full figured, full body episode and then

yeah you'll hear the bonus this week. Really good. Thanks. If I call this is an out of the And today I have live in studio with me Michael R Jackson and take note of that name if you haven't already

He is a and take note of that name if you haven't already.

He is a book writer, composer, lyricist.

From a musical theater, yeah.

And he has, he's a playwright, which we'll get into

because they're all these these genres within that.

So we're gonna talk to Michael about his brilliant play called A Strange Loop and

then I'm going to be talking to Sophie Elman Golan,

who was going to be talking about the Never Again

Action, which is a collective of Jewish activists

who organized the shutdown at New Jersey's Elizabeth Detention Center.

Michael, welcome.

Hi Katie, nice to be here, thank you.

Thanks for coming.

I'm glad I can have you before.

Guys, this man, Michael Jackson, he's gonna, there's gonna be a time soon where we're gonna be like,

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