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These things happen. The phenomenon is real. Clairvoyance is a real thing. Precognition is a real thing. All of these things are absolutely part of the human condition.

But you can't put them on call, which is what you need in a scientific experiment.

You need to replicate things and you need to be able to falsify things and ultimately you need to be able to quantify things.

And you can't do any of that here.

But it doesn't mean they're not real.

It just means you can't do ordinary science with them.

And what the remote viewers were trying to do, certainly as I understand it,

is they were trying to use these things for espionage.

And sometimes they worked very, very well, but they did not work all the time. And so that's where the science

falls, but the reality still pokes through, as it were. My own feeling about it is that you need

trauma to induce these things.

So go back to the David Morehouse story.

Well, he didn't become a remote viewer until he was shot in the head.

Right.

And you mentioned Elizabeth Crone.

Well, Elizabeth didn't become psychic until she was struck by lightning and almost died.

So I think there's something about trauma and illness and suffering that opens people up

to these capacities, and these capacities often come online after a traumatic event, whether that's

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