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You just said something that's like very important.

You can't be dogmatic when you're talking about vaccines or about anything.

Yes, it is good to keep an open mind, isn't it, and be flexible and look at a 360-degree view of things rather than your tunnel vision and what you're indoctrinated into, isn't it?

Yeah, and especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable.

And, you know, one of the great things about your book is, first of all, your book's called

dissolving illusions.

I know I've talked about on the podcast a bunch of times, but you will also highlight a lot of

things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense.

Like even cinnamon.

Yeah.

Cinnamon is a powerful herb, actually.

And it's known to be helpful in glucose handling for a lot of diabetics taking it in capsule form now.

I noticed at the end of my nephrology career that a lot of my own patients were taking cinnamon capsules,

but it also has a lot of vitamin C in it.

And I think that was probably one of the keys.

A lot of those old remedies that we wrote about the magic in them probably was the vitamin C in them.

I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense. I was like, oh, that's hippie nonsense, like

at Kanisha, like, get out of here. It's hippie nonsense. Garlic. Come on, get out of here. Then the more

I've read things, especially like garlic is incredible for staff infections for some reason.

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