Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Professor Brian Cox,

physicist and professor of particle physics at the University of Manchester. He's the host of

several BBC science shows and he's now traveling across North America and the UK with his two

horizons of 21st century space, obviously. He's fantastic. If you listen to Under the Skin on Apple

Podcast please leave us a review. They really help us and we love reading them out so keep them

coming. In this part we talk about scientific objectivity and the obligation of people in the

field of science to remain in a state of humility and the complexity that emerges when science becomes

a subset of commerce or of the machinations of power. It's a fantastic conversation. You will

love it. Listen to it carefully because Brian and I clearly see these issues differently and I

certainly wouldn't claim to speak on behalf of Brian and you should certainly listen to the

whole podcast in order to get the clear context of what we are discussing. Trying to achieve a

quality with the annihilation of category is not successful. That's exactly right. We're in this

era where it turns out we were never the fast. What's beneath the surface of people with Maya

of the ideas that define our time, the history we're told? Welcome to Russell Brand. Under the

Skin. You know when art or music and I suppose in your case science and in my case because

something's like watching your stuff or doing the dress ticings or you know like Carl Sagan

and stuff. When you're taken to that point of absolute wonder when you think oh my god I actually

can't hold that in my head anymore. That could happen though in a beautiful animation or beautiful

piece of music where you're taken to that place. That's sort of beyond me and you feel that

yeah that numinism, you feel that sense of this is beyond my faculties to know this but I feel

something greater whether that is you know and however you want to define that is you know of course

this place, this place, this precipice that can be reached through art and through just a observation

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