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🗓️ 31 January 2025
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Battleground Ukraine with me, Patrick Bishop and Saul David. |
0:17.5 | The future of the Ukraine war, it would seem now, lies in the hands of just two people, |
0:23.0 | Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. Their calculations about how they play their respective hands |
0:28.6 | as maneuvering begins to bring an end to the war will ultimately decide the fate of not just Ukraine, |
0:34.8 | it will also reshape fundamentally the landscape of European security. |
0:40.5 | Well, personal chemistry obviously is going to play a large part in this drama. And given the |
0:45.7 | massive egos, massive but also fragile, it must be said, of those involved, anything could |
0:52.3 | happen. That, I suppose, makes speculation rather futile, |
0:56.8 | but nonetheless, there are enough known knowns for us to feel confident that we can make a few |
1:02.1 | safest predictions about the likely Russian strategy, wouldn't you say, so what? |
1:07.6 | Yeah, I'd love to think so, Patrick. I'm not sure that is the case, but the first noises |
1:12.6 | coming from Moscow suggest that Putin thinks he might be able to play Trump by flattering him. |
1:18.8 | Admittedly, not a bad opening move, and he's chosen an interesting way of doing it. That is, by |
1:23.6 | endorsing Trump's unshakable conviction that he is the victim of a historic injustice |
1:28.7 | when in his mind the 2020 election was stolen from him by Democrat skullduggery. |
1:35.3 | This is what Putin said. I couldn't disagree with him that if he had been president, |
1:40.1 | if they hadn't stolen victory from him in 2020, the crisis that emerged in Ukraine in 2022 |
1:46.4 | could have been avoided. So the message is Trump is a well-statesman who would have sorted |
1:52.2 | out Ukraine if it hadn't been robbed of victory. Now, this is soft-sooping of the most blatant, |
1:57.7 | obvious kind, isn't it, Patrick? Designed to create a special bond with Trump that will enable Putin to strike a deal with him |
2:04.2 | over Zelensky's head. The question is, will O'Donnell go for it? |
2:09.3 | Yeah, the charm offensive has been going on for quite a while now, of course. The Russian |
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