It's great to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, man.

Thanks for making the trip.

We got a lot of stuff to talk about.

A ton of shit to talk about.

What have I got myself into?

First of all, I want to say I was super impressed with your podcast on joe ragan with graham i thought

you were extremely reasonable um i thought some of the evidence that you came with was incredible

i thought that you did a great job of filling in the blanks with a lot of stuff that graham uh wasn't

you know graham was bringing a lot of points up ands with a lot of stuff that Graham wasn't, you know,

Graham was bringing a lot of points up and talking about a lot of his research.

And you were doing a fantastic job filling in the gaps for him.

Mm-hmm.

Because it's obvious that you've spent your life in archaeology doing the work, hands-on,

eating the gruel, as say the bones um you know not

just looking at the fascinating stuff but also looking doing the boring shit too right like doing

the hard work and i understand your perspective when it comes to people like graham somebody who comes up who's sort of doing this as a fun thing and writes a bunch of books about it and he's looking into it and getting all this attention for it, making all this money from it.

And no one's paying attention to the guy who spent his whole life in the dirt, you know, knees deep in the

mud, digging through up, digging up all these bones and doing all this research. So, so that being

said, I understand your perspective of it. And I think that when you, when, as far as people like Graham

and his followers, because the one thing thing i do the one thing i can say

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