Because the judge has ruled that sex is changeable, it has taken away women's spaces,

lesbian specific spaces, gay male spaces, any male space, it's actually obliterated everything. One of the most basic facts in the universe

is that sex is not changed and it's male and female. And when you tell people that you can't

acknowledge that anymore, you are breaking something so foundational to life.

Everything starts to crumble.

Hello, welcome back to the Brendan O'Neill show with me Brendan O'Neill and my special

guest this week, Sal Grover. Sal, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for having me.

It's great to have you back on.

Although we need to talk about something

a little bit depressing that's happened.

The last time you were on the show,

we were talking about the notorious Tickle versus Giggle case that you've been involved in in Australia

which has made waves around the world.

This is a case where you tried outrageously to set up an app for women only, how dare you, and a man in address called

Roxy Tickle demanded access to this space, it caused a big fuss, it caused legal

cases, we were awaiting the verdict, the last it caused a big fuss, it caused legal cases.

We were awaiting the verdict, the last time you and I spoke,

and now that verdict has come in,

you've lost and the man has won,

let's put it like that.

So we'll get into the details of it and what it means for not only for you and your

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