Hey, you're on air with Ella and today I am joined by a listener, by a member of this community.

And these are some of my favorite, favorite shows to do because, you know, I love a great

interview with an expert. You know, I love a solo show because I just get to talk to you.

But one of my favorite things to do is to talk to you. I just think it's so useful to share

stories from the trenches. And Michelle is really special and she's special to me. And she came on

the air today because I learned about her journey. Journey. I learned about her journey. I learned about

Michelle's life just by getting to know her through

the chat in my DMs on Instagram. You know, it's been probably five years now. And then she came to

one of the retreats that Tilly and I did last year, the Live Better retreat in Miami. And so,

of course, I really got to know her story.

And after that retreat, she made a very big change in her life. And she left her corporate

job of many, many years and committed 100% to what was a side hustle. So that is not a

spoiler alert, because really what we're talking about

today is what was that really, really like? Like instead of the stereotypical comments that people make

about what that is like, I wanted to really know what it was like from someone who has just recently

done it. What did life look like before? Why were you not able to do it?

Then why were you able to do it? And what does that look like for you now? So Michelle and I get into that.

But then we also talk about like how she used to think about failure versus how she thinks about

failure now. We talk about why the stresses of doing something that you love just hit different than the stress of doing something that you don't.

And then she turns the tables on me and asks me a few questions.

So this is a fun conversation.

Thank you.

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