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This is the Most notorious podcast and I'm Eric Rivenes. I'm so pleased to have with me today Dale W. Lackman. He is an award-winning television producer, director and writer.

His book is called For The Kingdom and the Power. Thanks so much for your time.

Thank you for inviting me.

In the first sentence of your introduction, you will be asked to read the book.

Can you explain what kind of book it is?

Well, and we seem obvious to people that it is a clan book because they kind of the context or the canvas that the entire story happens to be.

But I never intended to write yet another history of the clan. There are enough of those. The evil of the clan, the violence of the clan is well documented.

But I think that the most important thing is to have a good time.

This is a story about two people who changed American history dramatically and it's also very much early 20th century history in the emerging communications industry and the history of marketing.

Public relations, journalism and it's just remarkable how two people can affect in a bad way the history of an entire nation.

In order for people to fully understand the scope of transformation of the Ku Klux Klan, let's go back to the early days of the organization.

Can you give us a summary of how the clan began and the kind of organization it was post civil war to the turn of the 20th century?

Sure, there essentially have been two plans, the original clan after the civil war and then the clan that I discussed in my book is sometimes called the modern clan.

The original clan came about after the civil war ended and reconstruction began. Right away, initially right after the end of the civil war, Lincoln had chosen a more benevolent way of states returning to the union.

Of course he was assassinated just a few days after the surrender was signed and Andrew Johnson, his vice president took over.

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