A few weeks ago I was talking to John Mackie, the founder of Whole Foods, and he told me one of the craziest things anyone has ever said about the podcast.

He had listened to over 100 episodes before he met, and he told me that if founders existed when he was younger,

that Whole Foods would still be an independent company.

He said that since the podcast and all of history's greatest entrepreneurs

constantly emphasize the importance of controlling your expenses,

he would have put more of a priority on it, especially during good times.

It is natural for a company, and I think for human nature, to just not watch your costs as closely because everything is going so well.

Andrew Carnegie had one of the best ways to describe why this is so

important because he would actually repeat this mantra time and time again he

would say profits and prices are cyclical subject to any number of transient forces

on the marketplace. Costs, however, could be strictly

controlled and in Carnegie's view any savings achieved in the costs were permanent.

That quote from Carnegie is something I was talking about with my friend Eric

who's the co-founder and

CEO of RAMP RAMP is now a partner of this podcast I've gotten to know all the

co-founders of RAMP and I've spent a ton of time with them over the last year

or two they all listen to the podcast and they picked up on the fact that the main theme from the

podcast is on the importance of watching your costs and controlling your spend.

And how doing so can give you a massive competitive advantage. That is a main theme for

ramp. The reason that ramp exists is to give you everything you need to control

your spend. Ramp gives you everything you need to control your costs.

Ramp gives you easy to use corporate cards for your entire team,

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