Hey, friends. Welcome to Java with Julie hosted by me, Julie Slattery. Well, we've reached

the final special edition bonus episode of our seven week series, journeying through various

keystone topics around God, sex and intimacy. Throughout this series, we've intentionally

worked our way through some of the main questions that people come to us with. Questions about

marriage, singleness, talking to kids about sex, healing and trauma, and sexual intimacy.

Now on Monday, we heard from President Springgold, talking about his book, exploring what the

Bible says about same-sex marriage. And in today's conversation, we're going to go deeper

into the topic of knowing God's heart for our sexuality. A biblical sexual ethic can seem

cruel and unloving if we don't have an intimate relationship with God himself. My guest today,

Rachel Gilson, has wrestled with the scriptures to understand how God's love is actually

expressed in his created design for sexuality. Rachel is the same-sex-attracted woman who

is married to a man. She's the author of a great book called Born Again This Way. The book

is about her coming out story, about finding God, and embracing who God created her to

be. Rachel is honest, kind, she's super smart and funny, and you're going to see this

come through in my conversation with her. As we wrestle with, why we need to go deeper

in understanding of God's heart for our sexuality. Friend, this is an episode that's important

for all of us, regardless of what we struggle with. So let's go ahead and join my conversation

with Rachel Gilson. I am in Boston with you, Rachel Gilson. I'm also in Boston with you,

I know. I feel like I know you because we've done a couple interviews through Zoom, but

this is the first time I got to see you in the flesh. It's the first time we really know

how tall each other are. I was wondering how tall you are. I know, it's true. You're kind

of short like me. Yeah, it was kind of about the same size. I meet people all the time

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