Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to the Pure Desire podcast, your biblically based and clinically informed approach to healing from betrayal and breaking free from compulsive sexual behaviors.

I am your host, Nick Stumbo.

Glad to have you with us as we jump into episode 383.

And for those of you out there that have heard all 383, kudos to you. Here joining me again in our series

on Beyond the Porn Phenomenon. And today, Part 2 is my co--host Ashley Jameson. Ashley, good to see you again.

Yes. I'm so glad to be here. Yeah, we're doing a few of these podcasts in a row. And today's is

kind of unique or this one is unique because we are getting to talk to a data researcher,

Barna let him out of the dark cave where the researchers live. I'm kidding.

No offense to data research is out there. It just, you know, it sounds like kind of a real private

job, like sitting in front of a computer screen, analyzing numbers. Yes. But actually, I thought

today's conversation with Daniel Copeland was fascinating. Ashley, what were some of your

observations or thoughts on this?

What I like most about the times we've been able to sit down with the Barna crew and let

them, I always think I'm not going to enjoy the episode because data numbers, I feel like

at one point I said were my trigger words.

But what I took away is that it really helps me understand how they find that,

what their approach is, that you can really count on the data that's being presented, and even

just their heart behind why data is important to them in creating change and bringing awareness.

Yeah, I think for those that are nervous like you, there's a ton of great insight here

into how does data create opportunities for change?

You know, what are the things that we can go beyond the number and not just see a number,

but like, what does this mean?

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