388 - Mary Harrington - Identity After Postmodernism
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
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🗓️ 7 April 2025
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Our conversation at ARC that prompted this: A philosophy of human identity in a digital age | Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Pageau, Mary Harrington: https://youtu.be/oa-MK6l_hgE?si=86TQRbbDCrQdqb60
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| 0:00.0 | But I think at some point when we talk about re-insolment and re-understanding, |
| 0:03.6 | we're going to have to flip the Enlightenment adage. |
| 0:06.5 | You know, when people say that magic is just misunderstood technology, |
| 0:12.0 | I would flip that and say technology is misunderstood magic. |
| 0:16.0 | My governing theme for pretty much everything which is happening at the moment |
| 0:19.0 | is that we're running the 17th century in reverse. |
| 0:22.1 | So just hang on to your hat. |
| 0:23.9 | This is Jonathan Pesio. |
| 0:39.1 | Welcome to the symbolic world. |
| 0:51.1 | Hello, I am here with Mary Harrington. |
| 0:58.6 | Mary is a writer. She was also with me at Arc speaking about identity and AI, and we had such a great conversation that we thought that |
| 1:03.7 | we definitely need to dive deeper. And many people in the comments of the video have asked |
| 1:08.8 | us to dive deeper into the question. So, Mary, thanks |
| 1:11.5 | for talking to me. Thanks for having me. And so a lot of people really stuck on your vision |
| 1:18.0 | of what this idea of identity that we have now, how it's kind of downstream from the notion |
| 1:23.4 | of the soul, and how in some ways it's a degraded idea of the soul. And so I thought it would be a good idea to maybe start with that. |
| 1:30.3 | Yeah, so I can tell the story backwards in terms of how I tried to make sense of it in those terms. |
| 1:40.3 | So, ARC commissioned me to write a paper on identity in the digital age. |
| 1:45.1 | And I went round in circles for weeks trying to figure out what it was I was even talking about. |
| 1:50.2 | Because every time I tried to get my head round it, it felt like I was just nailing some jelly to the wall, and it would just go fuh. |
| 1:57.5 | And kind of slip away from me again. |
| 1:59.5 | And the substance of it just felt nebulous. |
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