389 - Joe Allen - Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
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🗓️ 16 April 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
We talk about the deeper philosophical and spiritual undercurrents of transhumanism: the ego behind the machines, the myth of the disembodied mind, and the subtle seductions that come with promises of power and control. From AI warfare to Elon Musk, from Project Stargate to the eerie direction our culture is headed, we raise some uncomfortable but necessary questions. What happens when our tools stop serving us and begin to define us?
Get Joe Allen's book: Dark Aeon: Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity: https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Aeon-Transhumanism-Against-Humanity-ebook/dp/B0C9FJQD4V
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Coming up
00:44 - Intro music
02:03 - The conservative transhumanist
09:11 - Why more than human?
14:49 - Bringing myths alive
18:41 - Revolution and an image of sin
25:47 - International competition
34:07 - As soon as a power exists
44:39 - Project StarGate
50:29 - The power of AI
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| 0:00.0 | that that is futile. |
| 0:02.3 | Soon the machines will do it for you. |
| 0:05.0 | And so you've demoralized an entire generation and told them that they can look forward to basically |
| 0:10.6 | being pets to the machines or to billionaires with machines. |
| 0:15.4 | Okay, if that actually comes true nightmare. |
| 0:18.9 | But if it doesn't come true, then you've enfeebled this generation. |
| 0:23.0 | They did not hit the ground running. And so that is even worse to me, right? Like you never get the |
| 0:30.1 | godlike AI. You never get the superpower brain chip. All you get is, you know, a fluffy dream and a whole |
| 0:37.3 | lot of atrophied human beings. That's the |
| 0:39.6 | real nightmare. And that's what I hope can be countered. And it can be. I really do believe that. |
| 0:44.0 | This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. |
| 1:00.0 | Hello everyone. I am excited to be here with Joe Allen. |
| 1:13.7 | Joe Allen is the author of the book Dark Eon. He's also a tech editor on Steve Bannon's War Room. |
| 1:19.7 | And he's going to help us think through all the things tech and all the things transhuman that are transpiring around us today. |
| 1:27.1 | So Joe, thanks for talking to me. |
| 1:29.0 | Very good to be here. Thank you for having me. |
| 1:31.7 | So, I mean, my first question is going to be a very broad one. There are so many things happening |
| 1:35.7 | simultaneously right now, you know, with the kind of explosion of AI in the actual models to |
| 1:42.1 | the, you know, to Trump saying he's going to deregulate AI as much as possible, investing in the actual models to the, you know, to Trump saying is going to deregulate AI as much as |
| 1:46.1 | possible, investing in the Stargate project. |
| 1:48.9 | With Musk being in the White House, there's just crazy. |
| 1:52.4 | What is the thing that is grabbing your attention the most, that you think is what we need |
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