#39 - What's Making Us Fat? Response to the Joe Rogan Debate ft. Stephan Guyenet

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Jeff Nippard

Health & Fitness, Fitness

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🗓️ 30 March 2019

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

In this episode I'm speaking with Dr. Stephan Guyenet about the science behind what is driving fat gain. We also cover the "is a calorie a calorie" question, address the role of sugar/carbs in obesity and diabetes and the role of the brain in regulating all of this.

This interview was recorded just after the debate on the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast (JRE) between Gary Taubes and Stephan Guyenet, which you can listen to here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA3QavPp1Ho

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SOURCES:

Stephan's Website:
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/

Stephan's debate reference list (everything we discuss can be found in here)
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/references-for-my-debate-with-gary-taubes-on-the-joe-rogan-experience/

The DIETFITS Study:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2673150

The Hall Meta-Analysis (Calorie A Calorie Study):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5568065/

My video on sugar 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JrT84PeTgw

My response to criticisms on sugar (vid 2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_n2L0pBpcI

Outro Music:
‣ Ryan Little: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogFRR0uRNqM

Transcript

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0:00.0	Okay, welcome everyone to a new episode of the Jeff Nippard podcast. In this episode, I'm speaking
0:04.4	with Dr. Stefan Giena. Stefan has a PhD in neuroscience, and he's done research in areas related to the
0:10.4	neuroscience of body fatness for 12 years. He's published many peer-reviewed articles in scientific
0:15.7	journals in areas related to obesity and the brain, and he's the author of the book, The Hungry Brain,
0:20.8	which basically argues that it's our ancient, instinctive brain circuits playing a surrogens. is related to obesity and the brain. And he's the author of the book The Hungry Brain,
0:24.3	which basically argues that it's our ancient instinctive brain circuits playing a survival game that's causing us to overeat in the modern food environment,
0:29.2	not necessarily a lack of willpower or an incorrect understanding of what to eat.
0:34.0	Now, many of you may know that Stefan recently appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast,
0:38.3	where he was debating what is actually causing us to get fat. And I think we elaborate on that
0:42.8	discussion here. So we talk about the calories in, calories out model of weight gain. We discuss
0:48.2	whether or not a calorie is a calorie for weight loss purposes and what the role of carbohydrates
0:52.6	and sugars are in the obesity epidemic
0:54.9	and then how a lot of this is regulated in the brain. So we cover a lot of ground in just over an hour
1:00.8	and I think it's a conversation you guys are really going to learn a lot from. So without further ado,
1:05.2	I hope you guys enjoy this discussion about fat gain, models of obesity, and the brain with Dr. Stefan Giena.
1:11.6	So guys, I'm here with Stefan Giena. Stefan, thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it.
1:16.6	My pleasure. So for the context of the viewers, this is being recorded about a week after you were on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast where you debated Gary Taubes.
1:28.8	So we're going to do something of a response to that.
1:32.2	But I think what I want to do if this is cool with you
1:35.2	is just really quickly recap how it was that that debate was set up.
1:40.2	And then we can kind of move forward with what I think
1:42.8	are the more interesting areas that you guys
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