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I'm here with Helen Lewis. Helen, thanks for joining me.

Thank you for having me.

So I've been a fan for quite some time. I have not read everything you've written or heard everything you've said, but I've been following you. I think it's been, it has been four or five

years or so. How long have you been at the Atlantic? Yeah, since 2019, so about then. Yeah,

yeah. So maybe we can start with your background as a journalist before we launch ourselves into the whole catastrophe, which is modern politics and culture war issues. How would you describe your focus as a writer and journalist?

These days, I'm more and more interested in reporting. I don't know about you, but I kind of went through a phase where I felt like I'd gorged on opinions.

I sort of thought everyone in the world has many opinions. I have many, many opinions, but actually

to me the hard work of journalism is going out there, talking to people, finding out facts,

writing them down, publishing them, all of which are, I think, a lot more difficult than sometimes

people would think. I always think a sort of sort of ration on as being the model for journalism.

You can get the same event that is reported by people who are there in the room into

you completely different ways.

And that is, you know, that is really hard intellectual work to do to try and sort out what

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