#401 — Christian Nationalism and the New Right

Making Sense with Sam Harris

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🗓️ 18 February 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Sam Harris speaks with Katherine Stewart about her new book, Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy. They discuss Project 2025, Christian nationalism, white supremacy, whether the backlash against wokeness has been overblown, the asymmetric standards between right-wing and left-wing media, Trump’s appeal to evangelicals, wealth inequality, political ideology in public schools, and other topics.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're hearing this, you're not currently on our subscriber feed, and we'll only be hearing the first part of this conversation. In order to access full episodes of the Making Sense podcast, you'll need to subscribe
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0:36.1	please consider becoming one. I am here with Catherine Stewart.
0:45.3	Catherine, thanks for joining me.
0:48.3	It's great to be here. Thanks for having me.
0:50.3	So I recently discovered you.
0:52.3	You wrote an op-ed in the New York Times, which they titled,
0:56.8	Now Will We Believe What is Happening Right in Front of Us, question mark. And I want to talk about
1:02.5	what's happening right in front of us. But before we do, perhaps you can summarize your background as a
1:08.0	journalist. Sure. I've been an investigative journalist and reporter.
1:12.6	My new book, Money Lies in God, Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy, is my third
1:17.6	book on the anti-democratic movement, which involves the religious right, the new right,
1:25.6	a number of kind of features, different features,
1:30.0	sometimes sort of, I would say, swimming in the same headwaters, but often with kind of
1:35.7	different contours, each group.
1:38.7	Yeah, so your book comes out next week, which is probably when we're dropping this.
1:42.7	So I think we're probably dropping this on your pub date. So your book, Money Lies and God, which I just got the PDF of yesterday. So I must say,
1:51.6	I have not read every word of it, but I've read a lot of it. And we'll get into it, but we will
1:55.9	by no means exhaust what is of interest in there. So let's find a way into this, I guess starting with the current
2:02.0	moment politically, because it's genuinely confusing how these reactionary forces in American
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