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Making Sense with Sam Harris

#402 — The Geopolitics of Trump 2.0

Making Sense with Sam Harris

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🗓️ 28 February 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Sam Harris speaks with Niall Ferguson about the current geopolitical situation. They discuss how Trump is handling the war in Ukraine, Europe’s changing relationship to the U.S., security concerns around Trump’s appointees, the economic impacts of Trump’s policies, how China views political turmoil in the U.S., whether democracy can withstand Trump 2.0, Elon Musk and X, free speech in the United Kingdom, Trump’s plan for Gaza, and other topics.

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0:48.3

I am here with Neil Ferguson. Neil, thanks for joining me. It is a pleasure to be back with you, Sam. It's been too long.

0:51.3

Yeah, yeah, and it has not been boring, as we were just

0:54.7

remarking on. It's an immense pleasure to be able to reach out to you at a moment like this,

0:59.5

because there's just so much going on. This is obviously your wheelhouse as a historian,

1:04.7

and as a commentator on current events. We're going to do this. There's just so much to talk about.

1:11.6

And I know you have a heart out here because you're going to a talk.

1:13.6

So I'm going to be more operational than is normal.

1:18.6

How is the first month of Trump's second term struck you thus far?

1:24.0

I think it's a bit like being in 1933, but I don't mean in Germany in 1933, I mean in the

1:32.8

United States in 1933, because there hasn't been a presidency that has started with this

1:39.2

much of a bang since Franklin Roosevelt's first term. The difference is, it's like the new deal with

1:48.2

the sign reversed. You've got this frenetic activity, executive orders coming at us like bullets

1:57.7

out of a gun. And that was very much the pattern with the beginning of Roosevelt's

2:03.1

presidency. There was also a barrage of legislation, which we're not yet seeing, because Trump

2:10.1

does not have the great majorities that Roosevelt had in the Senate and House. But in terms of activity, it's comparable. Roosevelt still holds the record

2:22.5

for a number of executive orders per year of any president. Trump could beat it at this rate.

2:29.1

But the signs reverse, because the goal of the New Deal in 1933 was to expand the federal government

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