Hey, it's the way I heard it. I'm Mike Row, and my guest today is Ken Coleman. Who's Ken Coleman,

you may ask? You've probably heard him. If you flick around the radio from time to time, he's been out there forever.

He's a friend of Dave Ramsey's. I've known Dave for years. I've been interviewed by Ken three or four times, and he promised

to return the favor, Chuck, next time he was in L.A. I said, realistically, Ken, are you ever in

L.A.? And he said, no. So I said, well, again, this means you're going to have to fly to

L.A. to be interviewed. And he said, okay. And he did, and I thought it was great. It was great.

This guy's a natural born broadcaster, I think, even though he started a little late, 32,

when he started his career and talks about that a bit.

But he's a really smart guy who has a lot to say and a self-described patriot.

He kind of put me on the couch a little bit, right? Well, that's kind of

what he does with everybody. He's one of these guys who's got the Ken Coleman show takes calls

and has taken calls for years now from people with all sorts of questions about personal

development and stuff like that, but mostly his leadership. He's become a really

trusted voice in this space. And full disclosure, and I told him this to his face the first time

we met. I don't, I'm ambivalent about books that proclaim to have a secret or a strategy or some universal approach to living.

Because I just fundamentally think that cookie cutter advice is, well, it's cookie cutter.

It just doesn't apply to a lot of people.

But he's really good at this.

And what he does doesn't feel cookie cutter at all.

Because it's not.

It's very personalized.

And that happens near the end of the episode.

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