423: Alex Epstein—On Littering and Underpants

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

Society & Culture, History

4.8 • 39.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2025

⏱️ 98 minutes

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Alex Epstein is back! He’s a philosopher and energy expert who argues that "human flourishing" should be the guiding principle of energy and environmental progress.

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0:00.0	Hey there, it's me, Mike Rowe.
0:05.0	Joined by the one and only, Chuck Klausmeier.
0:08.0	And this is the way I heard it.
0:09.0	My guest today is our old friend Alex Epstein.
0:13.0	Is that fair to say, I mean, it's fair to say he's a friend, but he's not old.
0:18.0	No, he's a young guy.
0:20.0	He's a young guy, a jagged little pill.
0:21.9	I would say this to his face.
0:23.1	He's upset a great many people.
0:24.8	He's written a couple of books that have got the attention of a lot of smart folks.
0:30.5	I almost said including me, but that would have been a tad vain, glorious.
0:35.0	And some not so smart folks like me.
0:37.9	And some straight-up idiots. And some not so smart folks like me. And some straight-up idiots.
0:39.7	And some not-so-smart folks like Chuck.
0:41.8	I was getting there.
0:43.4	I was getting there.
0:45.0	Alex and I are on, you know, I think, a kind of parallel missions.
0:49.8	I've been doing what I can through microworks to challenge the idea that a four-year degree is the best path for the most people.
0:59.0	And Alex, through his books and his think tankiness and so forth, has been challenging the idea that fossil fuels are the enemy.
1:08.5	His book, Fossil Future, and is it the moral case for fossil fuels?
1:13.0	Yes.
1:14.0	Both excellent. And he's just come out with something that got my attention called Energy
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