Hello, and welcome to Focus, the Catholic Cancer's podcast for living, understanding, and defending

your Catholic faith.

I'm Psych Hell at Your Host.

Our guest is Michael Loft and the proprietor of the podcast, Reason and Theology, and one

of the things that Michael is well known for is the conversation, the dialogue, the discussion

that goes on between the eastern and the western lungs of the church.

If I could borrow that from Pope John Paul II, and at the heart of all this, I don't

know, maybe I actually have to ask Michael if that's the right to say at the heart of

all of this, but certainly somewhere in the mix of the struggles and the discussions and

the debates, I suppose you might say between east and west, is that little filioque.

And so Michael is here to help us with that, Michael Loft and thanks for being here with

us.

Thanks for having me back on side.

Well, let me start there.

Is it the heart of everything this filioque is that exaggeration to say it like that?

Depends on who you ask and when in what time period it's on.

Okay.

Here's the reason why.

That's such a Jimmy Aiken answer.

I don't have a time machine, Michael.

The reason for that though is because originally whenever we have this gizmo, and I know

some people dated to 1054, that's not necessarily accurate, but there were some tensions around

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