Hello, and welcome to Focus the Catholic Cancer's podcast for Living Understanding and Defending

Your Catholic Faith.

I am Psy Kellet, your host, and among the things we hear is that if the Catholic Church

was just lighten up on some of this morals stuff, we'd attract a lot more people.

And it may be true in certain cases, but it's also true that the moral life of the church,

the moral teachings of the church, even the moral demands of living the Catholic life

are attractive to many people, one of whom is our guest, Tim Staples, Senior Apologist

here at Catholic Answers.

And you hear that, Tim, you hear, you know, if the church would just lighten up and stop

focusing on, well, contraception, or you name it, then it would attract more people.

And nothing could be further from the truth.

You know, Psy, I don't share this part of my conversion story that often, it's kind

of a sentence in my story that I've shared for the last 30 plus years.

But the presentation, the Catholic presentation of the moral law was a key component in

my Odyssey to the Catholic faith.

And it really began with contraception.

Now, if you remember Psy, when I was in my battles with the famous Sergeant Matt Dula,

he was a mind-blower for me.

And I'd never met a Catholic who knew his Bible that, you know, like he did.

And he was amazing at how he would respond.

And it sent me in a, you know, a tizzy, you know, because I'm scrambling, going, wait

a minute.

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