Hi, everybody. Welcome to this episode of the Big Leap podcast. I'm Gay Hendrick, along with my good buddy, Mike Koenig.

Today, we've got something really unusual. We're going to dive into the flow of love between people.

I'm going to be talking a lot about what I do to maintain the flow of love and what Katie does,

maintain that flow of love.

Then we'll also look at what kind of messes up that flow and how to get back into it again.

So a deep dive into the mechanics of love today.

And one of the things that you're going to walk away with is Gay and Katie,

when they first got together within months of meeting, they sat down at a fireplace and made a commitment to five big concepts, big ideas that they've held true to.

And these non-negotiables have given them immense intimacy, power, and love to create that flow we're talking about.

And so you're going to learn a lot in this episode.

So, Gay, we're just brainstorming about what our next episode should be because while we do these in batches,

and you said what you're most interested in right now is the flow of loving energy between you and Katie.

And my response was, I think that's a great episode. So we're going to talk about,

first of all, what is the flow of loving energy between you and Katie? You've been married

42 years. We've been together 42. We just had our 40th wedding anniversary.

There we go. So that's by all standards of a long time. I'm about halfway there with you.

We're celebrating our 21st anniversary this year. And I know from my point of view, things have

changed dramatically. Some things have gotten so much easier. And I can only imagine with all the

work that you two have done, how much easier and smoother things are. But I'd like, first of all,

why don't you just talk about what specifically do you mean when you say the flow of loving

energy between couples? Yes. Well, for me, it's a feeling of ease in my body and an actual

physical feeling of a flow. You know, I can actually feel the kind of the bounce back of love and

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