Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile.

This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profile, a former New York City prosecutor,

and writer producer of Criminal Minds.

With me today is my great friend.

My name is Martin Moran.

I don't speak quite as fast as Jim, but I live in New York City where I work as an actor and I'm an author.

And you're going to hear Jim call me Marty, which is just fine, but Martin or Marty is all good.

So hello and good to be with you.

Okay, you're also, you're a playwright and a solo performer.

That's true, like Richard Gad in Baby Reindeer. What a coincidence!

That's what brings me here, I think. Yeah, so let's jump right back into our discussion

about Richard Gad's Baby reindeer on Netflix, the manipulation of the grouping

is still just as powerful.

And it's subtle.

Yeah. Yeah, but also, you know, the way he depicted it of, you know, first they're going to drink and do some coke and then he adds GHB to the mix and he's being he's being taken advantage of.

He keeps coming back because again in his mind and this is this is so purely manipulation in

Richard Gads mind there is he holds out the the hope that all of this positive reinforcement that he's been getting

is actually real. And this other thing is just sort of a side note and it's not the actual motivation for this guy to, you know, have brought me into his life.

In fact, it looks like it probably was to the outside world.

It, this guy probably... What's being the motivation, you mean the motivation of taking advantage of

Richard Gads sexually. Yes, yes. That was the real motivation, but he just, he just hit it behind this, you know, all I want to help you in your career and

we the question that arises is how many other people has he done this to

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