Hello and

real crime profile this is Jim Clemente retired FBI profile or former

New York City prosecutor and writer producer of criminal minds

and Laura and Lisa are not with me today, but we do have an extremely special guest, actually

the original guest from Real Crime profile, Bob Roth of Truth and Justice Podcast.

And Bob and I are going to catch up on what each of us have been doing

as well as go down memory lane a bit and also give you updates on some really important developments in cases that each of us have worked.

So please put on that seatbelt and get ready for a great ride as Bob and I do a special crossover episode of

Real Crime profile and truth and justice.

And just before you even start I understand some congratulations are in order.

Yeah, kind of I mean with the...

Kind of.

Well, I do want to make clear that what happened with Carrie Max Cook today, so we're Jim and I recording this on Wednesday.

And is the day that the news dropped, that this, the, him getting fully exonerated, really didn't have anything to do with us other than we covered his case. God it's we're getting old Jim that was eight years ago. We were working on his case, but yeah, he's been fully exonerated, declared actually innocent, finally after a 40-plus year battle.

Well, listen, you may say that it had nothing to do with it, but I mean, who knows, in the Ze like getting it in the zeitgeist and putting all that

information out there hopefully that help yeah well I mean either way it's it's always

great to get a win.

You know, working in wrongful conviction work,

it's L after L after L and you just keep fighting

and every once in a while you get a big W.

And it makes you feel good to see somebody finally especially

Carrie Carrie's such a good guy and yeah he's been fighting for anyone through so you know he was

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