We also know that teenagers are among the most prolific users of pornography and yet we have

pizza parties and team camps and teen concerts and all these things.

Meanwhile this hidden secret that parents don't

feel equipped to have a conversation about is undermining our ministry effort.

Hey friend, welcome to another episode of Java with Julie. Well I think he goes without

saying that pornography use is absolutely pervasive. Men struggle with it, women struggle with it, single married people struggle with it,

young and old. So let's say that you are someone who struggles with watching pornography

and God begins to convict you and so you

decide to confide in someone at your church. How would you expect that leader to

respond? Would they be a safe place? Would you still be welcome at church or do you think

you would be judged? Well, unfortunately, often in the past, the church has not been seen as

a safe place to talk about struggles like pornography.

In fact, some people have experienced more hurt than healing.

So what would it take to make your church the safest and most effective place to address real sin

struggles like pornography. My guest today is Sam Black and he is the director of

Life Change Education at Covenant Eyes, and the author of the book The Healing Church,

what churches get wrong about pornography and how to fix it. Sam has over a decade of experience working at Covenant and I's and he's a

great person to speak to exactly what isn't working when it comes to the church

and addressing pornography and what we can do to start to see a change.

So I hope you enjoy my conversation with Sam Black.

Well Sam, what a joy to have you with me on Java with Julie. I got it laid out there up front. You, I'm a big fan of Covenant Eyes and you work with Covenant Eyes. And I feel like it's one of those things where I get to see the cooking in the back of the kitchen for Covenant Eyes, you know, like you eat at a restaurant and then you get to know some of the people and I've gotten to know you and other people that work with Covenant Eyes and I have always

just been blessed and encouraged by what I hear in terms of what you all are doing and your heart and your mission. So thank you.

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