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The Realignment

536 | Marc J. Dunkelman: Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress - and How to Bring It Back

The Realignment

The Realignment

Technology, News Commentary, National Security, Marshall Kosloff, International Relations, News, Public Policy, Economics, Politics, Saager Enjeti, U.s. Politics, Policy

4.82.5K Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Marc J. Dunkelman, author of Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress―and How to Bring It Back and a Fellow at Brown University’s Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, joins The Realignment. Marc and Marshall discuss the central causes of government's inability to accomplish big projects, why America and the progressive movement swing between "Hamiltonian" and "Jeffersonian" moments, why the Hamiltonian nature of ambitious eras like the New Deal, New Frontier, and Great Society lead to Jeffersonian backlash, the limited impact and political failure of the Biden administration's EV charging station policy, and how to balance our need to protect the rights of individuals and local communities with the need to accomplish big goals.

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0:00.0

here. Welcome back to the realignment. Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. Apologies for the delayed

0:06.7

release of episodes the past few weeks. Turns out that, unshockingly, early fatherhood is not

0:11.9

perfectly compatible with semi-pro podcasting. That said, I've got a bunch of great ones banked,

0:17.5

so I'll just release a bunch of extra content this week. The news cycle has

0:21.6

moved so quickly the past few weeks that rather than just save these for later in February,

0:25.7

or even earlier in March. I just want to get them out so I can start fresh and get going now that

0:30.7

I'm back from the most intense part of my leave. On to today's episode, I'm speaking with Brown

0:36.5

University's Mark Duckleman about his new book,

0:39.6

Why Nothing Works, Who Codes Progress, and How to Bring It Back? I love this book, I love this

0:45.7

conversation because they get to the core of one of the major questions in 2020s America,

0:50.6

whether you're on the left, right, or center. Why is it that despite our society's

0:54.6

ability to identify big problems, whether they're the defense industrial base or semiconductors

1:00.5

or chip manufacturing, broken supply chains, infrastructure, pick whichever area of interest

1:06.2

you've identified, it seems as if we can't actually do the thing we want to do. The EV charging stations

1:12.5

are delayed. The ships for the Navy are not built. And of course, the infrastructure weeks continue

1:18.6

on and on and on. So in Mark's telling and in this book and conversation, he relates everything

1:25.5

I just said to the central idea that for the past

1:27.6

hundred years or so, there's been an intense debate, especially on the left-decentred

1:32.0

of the Democratic Party, around two different and competing instincts. On the one hand,

1:38.9

you have the Hamiltonian instinct, named after obviously Alexander Hamilton, the founding father, but it's very top-down.

1:46.6

It's focused on doing big things. It's focused on speed. It's focused on efficiency.

1:52.4

Think of FDR and the New Deal and the Tennessee Valley Authority. Think of Robert Moses.

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