Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. I'm Kathy Canning Mello, retired profiler, And here I am with my friend and co-host.

Hi, it's Jim Clementi, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor, right producer of criminal minds, and Bluebeard on Audible as well as a project I did.

With Kathy, FBI profilers, criminal archives.

It's on Audible and it's 15 of our most amazing cases, some of the worst and some of the

best cases that we work together while we were in the BAU.

So it's so great to see again, Kathy.

And we are continuing our discussion on the Giselle Pelicott case.

And Giselle, if you haven't listened to last week's episode, you should go back and listen to it.

She is the ultimate hero, and she waived her anonymity in this massive rape trial so she could shift the shame of the rapes to the offenders and not

carry it as most women were sort of forced to carry it, not only in France, but around the

world. And some countries are worse than France in how they treat rape victims.

But France is certainly way up on the list of the misogynistic society in which they don't

take it seriously or they haven't until now maybe because Giselle made a huge statement and

risked a lot by

by stepping forward and saying I want this trial to be public

I want everybody to know who these offenders are

and I want the blame put squarely on their shoulders

it's just it's just amazing that she took that stance.

So today we're going to talk a little bit about the offense behavior.

And we are naming names in this case because we want everyone to know who this clown,

horrible person who was married to Giselle for 50 years.

But at least 10 of those, maybe 14 of those years,

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