Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast.

I'm Rob Zachini, joined by Alia Capora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson.

We are wrapping our Autumn of Andor before the Clone Wars Christmas Tide rolls in, supported

as always by our listeners at patreon.com slash civilized.

Today we are joined by Kirk Hamilton, host and producer of the Strong Songs podcast,

a longtime video game critic and blogger, Kataku, Paste, and Gamer Rolotico.

Kirk's just released an episode digging into the music of Andor, and it's a really fun and

accessible exploration, and I think we're going to play a little clip for you, just give you

taste of what you get into, and I highly recommend actually listening to the episode,

maybe before even listening to this, because Kirk's already done this work,

so like this will catch you up on, I think, a podcast that I just listened to,

the Kirk's just worked on, and provides context for the chat we're going to have here.

So it's a simple melody, but the effect of that melody is anything but simple.

There's this feeling I get when I listen to this theme of a swirling darkness that is

eventually illuminated by a single piercing light. That light is the final note of the melody,

that F sharp. It's a bit of brightness in an otherwise murky space, and it's a sound that I

really love, a minor chord going to the four major, which A minor going to D major is one minor

going to four major, and the reason I love it is that specific sound, the sound of a natural sixth

in a minor key. You don't always have a natural sixth in a minor key, and it's a brighter sound

than a flat sixth in a minor key, which a natural minor key usually has.

Since we have discussed the music in the series so much, and because there is so much

ground cover when it comes to the sound of Star Wars, we jumped at the chance to have Kirk come

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