Well, hey friend, welcome to Java with Julie hosted by me, Julie Slattery.

This podcast is listener supported and it's an outreach of the ministry, authentic intimacy,

which helps people kind of make sense of God and sexuality.

Well, in any kind of relationship, it's easy to hit a rough patch where it feels like you just can't agree.

You maybe keep having the same argument over and over again, or you just seem to be growing apart.

So what do you do in that situation?

Where is actually a roadmap for building healthy and strong relationships with your friends, your family, or your spouse.

Dr. John Van App is my guest today, and he is very passionate about this topic.

He is the co-author of a book called Endgame, The Church's Strategic Move to Save Faith

and Family in America, and is the creator of the RAM model of relationships,

which helps individuals explore and understand the major bonds that can contribute to all of our

relationships. Dr. Van Up has over 30 years of experience and work in this area. He knows how to

empower you to take ownership of your

relationships and actually make them better. So let's head into my conversation with Dr. John Van

F. John, it has been a long time since you and I have connected. I think it's been like 10 years maybe,

is that about right? I think it was maybe when you

first, you know, went to Colorado or something along those lines. Yeah, that was like 16 years ago.

It was definitely that long ago. Yeah. And you are still passionate about the same things,

about marriage and family,

and it seems like that passion has just continued to grow.

You know, I had that, I started in the pastoral ministry in founding a church.

So that was a phenomenal experience for my wife and I to be part of a church plant.

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