Well, hey friend, welcome to Job with Julie, hosted by me, Julie Slattery, and this is a listener-supported podcast.

It's an outreach of authentic intimacy.

When we hear that a couple is thinking about divorce, we usually assume it's because of something big, like an infidelity or addiction, and that certainly can be the case.

But for many marriages, they get into a crisis like this because of a lot of small things

adding up, not listening to each other, neglect, resistance, the constant fighting, or maybe

they just drift apart and find that they have nothing in common.

When a marriage hits this kind of crossroads, it can be

really hard to know what the best next step should be. Should you consider divorce? Would

separation be helpful? Do you need to seek a counselor? Well, today's guest, Dr. Greg Smalley,

is a close friend and one of my favorite people to talk to on job with Julie. He's been on the podcast

many times before and is the vice president of marriage and family formation at Focus on the

Family. He has decades of experience, coaching, and counseling couples and developing resources for

them and really talking to them about how to protect and invest in marriage.

Greg has a wealth of wisdom and he's also just a super down-to-earth guy.

So I just know you're going to enjoy this conversation and learn a lot whether this applies

to you or somebody that you know who is currently in this situation.

Well, Greg, thanks so much for always being willing to hop on job with Julie. You know,

we've had some fun conversations over the years. Sometimes Aaron has joined you, but this time I get you

solo. I know. It's dangerous because she's the better of the two of us. She balances you out, but you're awfully wise and fun just alone.

And the topic we're going to tackle today is a hard one.

It's not a light topic.

I wanted to talk to you about individuals or marriages who find themselves in the space of considering divorce.

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