#573: A Free World Needs Private Money with Calle
TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast
Marty Bent
4.8 • 764 Ratings
🗓️ 17 January 2025
⏱️ 79 minutes
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Summary
Marty sits down with Calle to discuss Cashu.
Cashu: https://cashu.space/
Calle on Nostr: https://primal.net/calle
0:00 - Intro
0:36 - Programming is art
5:36 - Zooming out on the struggle for freedom
10:23 - Dealing with the pace of change
14:20 - Unchained & Fold
16:13 - Financial privacy
20:43 - Chaumian ecash history
33:34 - Zaprite & SOTE
35:06 - Ecash on bitcoin
42:55 - Hash pools
48:45 - Interoperable systems
52:11 - We need more privacy and more devs
55:24 - Narrative and communication
1:00:45 - Magic stuff that just works
1:10:19 - Nostr as a gateway to bitcoin
1:17:21 - Wrap up
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| 0:00.0 | You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free. |
| 0:10.0 | If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. |
| 0:16.0 | So it's all acting like safe haven. |
| 0:18.0 | I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, |
| 0:24.4 | Bitcoin wins. |
| 0:25.3 | In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. |
| 0:29.2 | I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin. |
| 0:31.9 | If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. |
| 0:36.4 | Callie, this is a long time coming. |
| 0:38.3 | I was looking forward to this. |
| 0:40.3 | Thanks for having my man. |
| 0:41.3 | I was too. |
| 0:42.3 | I wanted to do it in person. |
| 0:43.3 | I'm happy that we're in person in this beautiful place. |
| 0:47.3 | Yeah. |
| 0:48.3 | The vibes have been high here. |
| 0:51.3 | You showed off some skills last night. We won't, we won't docks too much, but we've |
| 0:55.8 | got some good, some good gaming skills. Let's say I won. You did win. I've been thinking |
| 1:05.0 | a lot how to start this conversation. We could dump, obviously we'll talk about cashew, e-cash, |
| 1:09.1 | Bitcoin, Noster.ar but really i think what has impressed me |
| 1:15.5 | the most ever uh after having getting to know you probably over the course of |
| 1:20.7 | you probably met over video call this time last year and have met in person a couple |
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