Rade humano papachango. Oh, I hate moralizing I don't want to moralize I never want someone to say something and for me to be like oh

oh you think that do you I don't want to be in that position but you out you keep out here taking me and then I've got to be like I've got to be like

yeah but what about this and it's not a nice position to be in because I find it boring to moralize

to suggest my morals are somehow better than yours.

What a horrible urge.

What a horrible thing.

Yeah, so it's, I start with that because it's what in the great compliments to be told by Andrew Gold that I out here ticked him in this particular

conversation.

Andrew Gold is a really interesting guy.

If you don't know who he is, he was a documentary filmmaker.

For years he did a documentary about exorcism in Argentina. He lived in Argentina for a year, speak Spanish.

He's very interested in cults and belief systems and very charismatic guy.

He was, I guess he was a BBC presenter for a while

and he's run afoul of that system because of his free thinking,

because of his desire to explore things

that are legitimately fascinating,

but which run counter to some of the cultural programming

of the moment.

So he's started a YouTube channel

that's quite popular called Herritics. I encourage you to check it out. I was on his

podcast, he did a podcast years ago of another name, I forget what it's called, but he invited me on there. That's how we met each other and he's just

published a book which is called The Psychology of Secrets. My Adventures with Murderers, Cults, and Influencers.

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