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627. Sludge, Part 1: The World Is Drowning in It

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🗓️ 28 March 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Insurance forms that make no sense. Subscriptions that can’t be cancelled. A never-ending blizzard of automated notifications. Where does all this sludge come from — and how much is it costing us? (Part one of a two-part series.)

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0:00.0

I have a story to tell you, and I'm curious if anything like this has ever happened to you.

0:09.5

I recently got a letter from the Department of Motor Vehicles, saying it's time to renew my driver's license.

0:15.6

This is a letter that no one looks forward to receiving.

0:18.6

In many places, the DMV is famously hard to deal with.

0:22.6

Long lines, confusing protocols, etc., etc. But as I read the letter, I see there is a loophole

0:30.0

that if you are a member of AAA, the American Automobile Association, which I happen to be,

0:36.6

then you can renew your license at their office

0:39.1

and even better. You can set up an appointment ahead of time. That was exciting. So I made my

0:45.6

appointment online, put it in my calendar, got all my documents together, and I showed up on the

0:51.4

right day, the right time, and found, to my surprise, a long line of

0:56.1

people waiting for what looked to be just two or three clerks.

0:59.6

I asked a couple of people online what time their appointments were for, and they said they

1:03.9

didn't have appointments.

1:05.1

They had just walked in.

1:07.0

And so I, being an optimist, I thought maybe there's a separate line for appointments.

1:12.8

So I asked around and one helpful AAA employee told me that, no, the line is the line, is how he put it.

1:21.3

And how long do you think that line will take? I asked.

1:24.8

Oh, probably just two hours, maybe three, he said. I had pictured myself buzzing in with

1:30.9

my appointment, being done in 15 minutes, maybe 30, even an hour would have been okay, but two hours

1:37.4

or three, that I could not swing. So the next time you hear about a guy being arrested for

1:43.2

driving with an expired license,

1:45.4

that will be me. What happened at AAA surprised me, especially because after I'd made my appointment,

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