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Today I'm speaking with Anne Applebaum, and is a columnist for the Washington Post,

and a Pulitzer Prize winning historian. She's also a visiting professor at the London School of

Economics, where she runs Arena, a program on disinformation in 21st century propaganda,

resisting those things rather than producing them. She's formerly a member of the Washington

Post editorial board, and she's also work at the spectator, the evening standard, the daily and

Sunday telegraphs, the economist, the independent. Her writing has appeared everywhere, including

the New York Review of Books and the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.

And she's the author of two very well-regarded books. The first is Iron Curtain,

which describes the imposition of Soviet totalitarianism in Central Europe after the Second World War.

And her previous book Gulag, A History, won the Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction in 2004.

Now as you'll hear, I've primarily been reading Anne in the Washington Post, and following her

on Twitter, where she's just been an assassin. Her commentary on Trump has been on point from the

very beginning, practically from the moment he announced his candidacy. So I recommend that you

follow her on Twitter. She's at Anne Applebaum, all one word. Needless to say, her expertise on Russia

and propaganda is coming in especially handy these days. You'll hear that we recorded an

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